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Black Powder battle report: Battle of Waterloo

On the 20th and 21st of July a group of seven straight backed, hard-boiled gentleman gamers got together to re-fight the ultimate battle of any self-respecting historical wargamer: Waterloo. This is traditionally considered as one of, if not the greatest, battles in British military history – marking the end to over 20 years of revolutionary and Napoleonic warfare. With over 200 battalions on the table and 4,000 lovingly painted 15mm miniatures, this was sure to be a spectacle.


The battle occurred on the 18th of June 1815 some 20 kilometers south of Brussels. Napoleon Bonaparte, who had been forced to abdicate in 1814 had once again seized the French throne in a last desperate gamble. Surrounded by large coalition armies on all sides, the Emperor put all his hope in a quick decisive campaign to knock out the Prusso-British army in Belgium and thereby hopefully force the other great powers (Austria and Russia) to abandon their invasion plans.

The plan seemed to be working as a rapid forced march into Belgium took the allies by surprise. On the 16th of June the Prussians were defeated at Ligny and the British were defeated at Quatre Bras. The allied armies were forced to retreat in separate directions and Napoleon hoped to keep them apart long enough to crush them one by one.

The British army took up positions on strong defensive  positions running along the Mont-Saint Jean ridge, pledging to hold their positions until the Prussian army could outmaneuver their French pursuers and come to their aid. Faced with a strong defensive position and lacking in time, Napoleon elected to go for the frontal assault and bludgeon the redcoats from their ridge.


The Mission:

The scenario objectives were left intentionally vague to avoid players’ fixation on very specific results. The scenario was partially umpire controlled with a CiC player on both sides allocating troops and assigning objectives to individual players. The umpires would also make any rulings and coordinate troop actions in such a way as to represent the realities of the actual battle, but without fixating on the actual chain of events (what’s the fun in following a pre-defined script?). The French objectives were as follows:

1. First and foremost to defeat the British army while suffering minimal casualties in return

2. Achieve control of the battlefield, thereby forcing the British to retreat and gaining a strong position from which to receive a potential Prussian counter-attack. This loosely translated to controlling the three fortified farmhouses anchoring the British line as well as securing the ridge.

3. Make a breakthrough towards Brussels, thereby driving a deeper wedge between the allied armies. This meant controlling the road going north.

4. Keep the imperial guard intact. These were Napoleon’s foremost troops who could easily decide the outcome of a battle, but who had a far more important role in ensuring the political stability of Napoleon’s regime back home and control over his army.

Allied objectives were of course to prevent the above from taking place.

In the actual battle the escalating arrival of the Prussian army on the French flank was of paramount importance (one could even say that the Prussians won the battle if one were not inclined to select the version offered by British historians). However due to a lack of miniatures we simply eliminated this portion of the battlefield and did not represent the Prussian nor the French troops who fought solely in this sector. This posed no problem as it simply meant that the French would have to defeat the British in the time given (14 turns) while the delaying force kept the Prussians at bay.


Order of Battle French:

We followed the actual OoB for the battle, but excluded those troops who engaged the Prussian relief army in the actual battle (Lobau’s VI Corps, the Young Guard and the cavalry divisions of Domon (3rd Div.) and Subervie (5th Div.). This left us with:

CiC: Napoleon Bonaparte

Field commander of the army: Marshal Ney

D’Erlon’s I Corps: 8 infantry brigades and the 1st Cavalry Division

Reille’s II Corps: 8 infantry brigades and the 2nd Cavalry Division

Kellermann’s III Cavalry Corps: 11th and 12th (heavy) cavalry divisions

Milhaud’s IV Cavalry Corps: 13th and 14th (heavy) cavalry divisions

Imperial Guard: 8 battalions of Old Guard and 7 battalions of Middle Guard, the Guard Heavy Cavalry Division and the Guard Light Cavalry Division


Order of Battle Allied: 

CiC: Duke of Wellington
Prince of Orange’s I Corps: 7 brigades (4 British, 1 Hanoverian, 1 Dutch, 1 Nassau)
Lord Hill’s II Corps: 3 brigades (2 British, 1 Hanoverian)
General Picton’s Reserve Corps: 7 brigades (3 British, 2 Hanoverian, 1 Brunswick, 1 Nassau)
Earl of Uxbridge’s Cavarly Corps: 8 brigades (2 British heavy, 4 British light, 1 Dutch heavy, 1 Brunswick light)
Elements of Prussian I Corps: 1st brigade (arriving on turn 11)


Set-up and battlefield:

Our set-up followed the historical one and can be seen below.


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Both armies were aligned on opposite ridges but the majority of the British force were on the reverse side of theirs. This meant that any artillery fire at them would be very ineffective. The British forces were also holding good defensive positions behind the sunken road (the road running along their ridge) and some hedges. In our game this gave them a higher morale save when fired upon and a little bonus in combat. The second dominant feature of the battlefield were the farmhouses of Hougoumont (together with its orchards), La Haye Sainte and Papelotte (actually a group of houses).

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Reille’s Corps supported by Kellermann’s heavy cavalry are ready to spring into action on the French left: photo IMG_7806_zps70db0b1e.jpg


The French center can be seen below. Notice the Imperial Guard who are held in reserve.

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The French left is held by D’Erlon’s Corps, which is strongly supported by Milhaud’s heavy cavalry. photo IMG_7808_zps7ade45c4.jpg

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Napoleon Bonaparte at the center of his army and surrounded by the Imperial Guard. A man who is visibly alone in a crowd:

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The British left. The poor Dutch conscripts have been pushed up front to take the brunt of French fire: photo IMG_7810_zps70d75ee9.jpg


La Haye Sainte in the center: photo IMG_7811_zps8cffee08.jpg


Hougoumont holding the British right. The farmhouse would prove a tough nut to crack with multiple sections that needed to be captured, annoying riflemen holding the orchards and tough guardsmen occupying every firing slit: photo IMG_7812_zpsef28e2de.jpg


How it played:

The battle commenced at 11.30 with a massive concentration of fire on the British left around La Haye Sainte. More guns were brought up and the guns were mustered closer together so that we created an ad-hoc grande battery with its own commander. The French also started a diversionary assault on Hougoumont.

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The diversionary assault was soon followed with the real deal. D’Erlon’s Corps moved to engage the British left. Schmitz’ infantry brigade (4 battalions) assaulted La Haye Sainte while Durutte’s division engaged the defenders of Papelotte on the extreme right. The artillery aimed to neutralize their British equivalent before they could do much damage on the closely pressed French attack columns.

The French plan was to engage Hougoumont mainly as a diversion while keeping the majority of Reille’s Corps ready to threaten the British center and thereby keep them from reinforcing their left where the French main thrust was taking place (d’Erlon’s attack). If there were an unexpected success at Hougoumont then this could be pursued to threaten the British right flank also. The aim was to take La Haye Sainte in the center as quickly as possible but on the French right the attack at Papelotte was not aimed at capturing the farmhouses but simply at securing the flank of the main assaulting force.

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The British defenses prepare to receive d’Erlon’s attack. Keep calm and carry on! photo IMG_7814_zps893e366c.jpg


A firefight with the defenders of Papelotte commences: photo IMG_7817_zps7f549458.jpg


D’Erlon’s attack gets on to an acceptable start and approach the ridge in all haste. However the sub-commanders failure to give the advance command simultaneously to the whole corps with the corps commander resulted in some formations advancing faster than others. Furthermore, the approach to the ridge was getting quite congested:  photo IMG_7818_zps47f1f9f1.jpg


With the assault under way Milhaud’s heavy cavalry and the light cavalry of the Imperial Guard move slowly forward to provide support for the infantry. Meanwhile the grande battery blasts away:   photo IMG_7819_zps1172576b.jpg

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The ridge was assaulted at 13.00 (turn 3) but the French advance elements fail to impress. Both the light infantry and Dutch militia perform well in combat and refuse to retire while the close range canister fire from the Royal Artillery is starting to get murderous. photo IMG_7821_zpsdad4d8fa.jpg


The French high command suddenly became aware that the flank of d’Erlon’s corps was perilously vulnerable to a counter attack by Vivian’s 6th (light) cavalry brigade which had crept up to the gap between Papelotte and the ridge. Fortunately Milhaud’s cuirassiers were wide awake and two regiments were immediately ordered to counter-attack. The attack took the Britons by surprise, first riding down some unfortunate light infantry and then routing the British light horse. photo IMG_7822_zps97110763.jpg

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A view of the French center-left. The defenders of La Haye Sainte refuse to budge even after protracted fighting. Reille’s corps is trying to look as imposing as possible in order to prevent the British troops from moving troops to strengthen their left:

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While d’Erlon’s corps was engaging the ridge the fight for Hougoumount was becoming more and more intense. It was proving tough to weed out the Brunswick and Nassau light infantry from the gardens – a necessary prelude to assaulting the farmhouse itself. In frustration and with no other engagements the sub-commander in charge of Reille’s corps sent in more troops, leaving some of them dangerously exposed to flanking artillery fire. So much for the orders of engaging in a diversionary assault… photo IMG_7824_zps9efbd2f0.jpg


A view of the battlefield around 13.30 (turn 4). Notice the smart outfit of the British CiC:

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The assault on Hougoumont continued in the same vein for some time. The French flanking force was ordered to retire from their perilous position after losing one battalion while Piré’s cavalry division was left in place to secure the flank from any British counter-attacks (as well as prevent relief of Hougoumont or defenders retiring). photo IMG_7826_zpsec0275c2.jpg


By roughly 14.00 (turn 5) the front defenses of the British army had been overcome on d’Erlon’s sector. The assault only escalated from this as the French went “all-in” and assaulted the ridge on a broad front. The close-range first volley of the Britons was devastating and the French assault fared poorly. The thin red line held the first onslaught: photo IMG_7828_zps77ee9503.jpg


The British right, still unbloodied: photo IMG_7829_zps450d7ffb.jpg



The battlefield at 14.00. D’Erlon’s corps is now fully committed while Milhaud’s cuirassiers have moved forwards to provide support at a moment’s notice where needed: photo IMG_7830_zpsaab5c038.jpg


Following the collapse of Vivivan’s cavalry to the cuirassiers’ onslaught on the British flank the two regiments engaged in harassing actions. The cuirassiers assaulted several battalions forcing them into squares while simultaneously trying to push their way to the British rear and thereby cause even more mayhem. Unfortunately numerous British fire caused continuous casualties and disorder on the French attackers, before successive Dutch cavalry reinforcements finally routed them. At least they attracted much attention and reserves from the Allies before being brought to heel: photo IMG_7833_zps641d7ff3.jpg


Following several rounds of intense fighting the d’Erlon’s corps was forced to retire down the slope to catch its breath. The British defenders had proved a tough nut to crack and after the initial assault had brought up more troops for support, gradually turning the tide on the French attackers. At this point the situation was perilous for the French, since many of the formations were either shaken or disordered. However the British infantry was ordered to hold their positions and the British cavalry also failed to seize the initiative, thereby giving the French time to take a few turns to rally their troops ready for another go: photo IMG_7831_zps21a118d2.jpg


There was only one counter-attack by British cavalry which routed a French battalion from the ridge in the vicinity of La Haye Sainte. However these poor sods soon paid for this by attracting the attention of the entire Grande Battérie together with two batteries of horse artillery that were brought forward to secure the flank against just such a counter-attack. Needless to say these brave fellows played no further role in this battle: photo IMG_7832_zps1cea3f09.jpg


While the bulk of d’Erlon’s corps was catching its breath and readying for another go, Marshal Ney ordered the second wave in to pin down the British defenders and cover the recuperating battalions. This assault consisted of Grenier’s brigade, who had been kept in reserve, and of several regiments of cuirassiers. The maneuver had all the elements of disaster when Grenier’s brigade launched their assault but the cuirassiers failed to engage. However, Grenier’s men were ready and willing and the Britons were spent from the last outing. The assault proved a great success with the British defenders routed and the first major breach of the British line occurring. This success was enforced when the British reserve, consisting of Best’s 4 battalions of Hanoverians, rolled a blunder and disengaged from the enemy instead of assaulting as ordered!

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While the French were recuperating on the right II Corps moved towards the ridge. They were now in a position to launch an assault on the ridge as well as ready to assault La Haye Sainte and Hougoumont from additional directions in order to speed things up. Kellermann’s heavy cavalry and the Guard heavy cavalry also advanced in a threatening manner, sending a clear signal to the British that moving reserves to their threatened left carried severe risks. The downside of this maneuver was that it brought the French to within medium range of the British artillery.

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It was around 15.00 (turn 7) that things started to happen fast. The defense of La Haye Sainte in the center caved in suddenly when the defenders decided to retreat, being wearied, short of ammunition and facing the threat of assault from two fronts. Reserve battalions were immediately brought forwards together with several batteries. The center of the field was now firmly in French control. Simultaneously French heavy cavalry launched assaults on both sectors of the battlefield. East of La Haye Sainte (d’Erlon’s sector) Milhaud’s cuirassiers managed to close with the wearied defenders and quickly widened the breakthrough created by Grenier’s brigade. West of La Haye Sainte Kellermann’s cuirassiers and dragoons were unable to close with the fresh British troops, but forced them into defensive squares on a wide front. This was as planned, as Reille’s infantry pounced on the now vulnerable Britons.

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Milhaud’s cuirassiers and Grenier’s infantry break through the thin red line: photo IMG_7841_zps6e5d001e.jpg

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La Haye Sainte in French hands and French reserves moving to secure the center: photo IMG_7843_zps8acdc219.jpg


Kellermann’s heavy cavalry advances ominously towards the Allied line between La Haye Sainte and Hougoumont… photo IMG_7844_zps52d87854.jpg


… before closing with the Hanoverian defenders on the ridge: photo IMG_7845_zps395eab31.jpg


Meanwhile the battle for Hougoumont continued much as before. Casualties were mounting up on both sides: photo IMG_7840_zps398196b2.jpg


The French breakthrough on the eastern sector soon widened before becoming an all-out British rout. Crucially the British cavalry reserve on this sector had little impact at this critical point – the brigades either failed to interpret the charge orders, were disordered by French fire or closed with the French only to be repulsed. Additionally some Dutch Heavy cavalry had been committed to counter the few remaining cuirassiers behind Papelotte or had been kept too far back – thereby being in a poor position to react to the breakthrough.

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In the heat of the battle numerous mishaps happened on both sides. For example on the extreme French left the CiC had ordered Piré’s light cavalry division to hold back and protect the flank, while the sub-commander of this sector forgot all about this and ordered them forward. At the same time British hussars on this same flank were ordered to reinforce the center but rolled a blunder and decided to charge their opposite light cavalry. Damned impetuous light cavalry! photo IMG_7849_zpsa8ae731a.jpg


The French left at 15.30 (turn 9): photo IMG_7850_zps648b78f9.jpg


The splendid Imperial Guard light cavalry division march towards the action: photo IMG_7851_zps1f241b19.jpg


With the British army beginning to buckle Napoleon sensed that only a little more pressure would be required to secure the victory. At 16.00 the huge Imperial Guard infantry formation was ordered to prepare for assault.

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The 10ème Régiment de Cuirassiers catch their breath before plunging in for another charge:

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At 16.00 (turn 10) the breakthrough on the British left had become so bad that Wellington gave the order for the remaining troops to make an ordered retreat towards the British center. The wily aristocrat calculated that the Prussian relief force would soon be arriving on the French flank and d’Erlon’s corps could better be countered by engaging them from two distinct directions rather than a wide front. This course of action had the added benefit of keeping the British forces together and securing the Brussels road running North. photo IMG_7855_zps6a953e24.jpg


A similar breakthrough was taking place on the French left in the wake of the charge by Kellermann’s heavy cavalry. The first British line caved in to the combined arms of French infantry and cavalry immediately to be followed by a cavalry charge deeper into British lines. What a spectacular sight!



At the same time the defenders of Hougoumont finally threw in the towel. The walled orchard, courtyard and southern buildings were all cleared of redcoats. However a few ragged defenders still clung to the northern buildings – probably too afraid to retreat north where the major cavalry assaults were taking place. The picture below is from just before the defenders are routed:


While the aforementioned had been developing things had not remained idle on the far eastern part of the battlefield. The French forces left to screen Papelotte had been encouraged by the success of their fire and the chaos caused by French cuirassiers in the farmhouse’s rear. These successes were enforced by the ineptitude of the British commander who failed to make any commands to rally or replace his wearied troops. This combination emboldened the French to mount an assault on the defenders around 15.00 which had brought the farmhouse under French control by 17.00 (turn 12). Things were really going the French way with major breakthroughs on both sectors of the battlefield and with all three farmhouses more or less under Imperial control!


However, as we all know, fortune is fickle. Elements of the Prussian I Corps (in our game just a single brigade) began to arrive just north of Papelotte at 16.30 (turn 11). This force, though small in numbers, really turned the tide. Some of the French attackers were caught in the flank and routed while the majority were forced to pull back or face a similar fate. Papelotte was retaken by the allies after a brief but vicious fight. The Prussian successes were reinforced by the fact that the bulk of d’Erlon’s corps had continued pursuing the British towards the center, leaving the left flank weakened. However even before the Prussian’s arrival Marshal Ney had began to prepare for these uninvited guests. The Grande Battery had been ordered to form up on the French right while the bulk of French cavalry on this sector had also been maneuvered in anticipation of blocking the Prussians. This involved most of Milhaud’s cuirassiers retiring to face the threat and Jaquinot’s light cavalry (which had been securing the French flank throughout the battle without seeing action) being brought forwards. Though the artillery failed to deploy in time, the massive cavalry force (8 regiments) was enough to secure the flank and prevent the Prussians from getting far. By the end of the game at 18.00 (turn 14) the extreme eastern sector of the ridge was contested, though Papelotte was firmly in Prussian hands.




Meanwhile on the western sector of the battlefield the French had reinforced their success by sending in more infantry and artillery on a broader frontage. Especially the collapse of British defenses at Hougoumont had freed up men for this task, though Reille’s II infantry corps was beginning to seem a bit overstretched.

Hard pressed but not defeated, Wellington was able to muster one final furious counter-attack late in the afternoon. Adam’s and Maitland’s elite guards brigades were thrown forward with the remnants of Ompteda’s KGL brigade and Halkett’s British brigade. These were supported with what remained of British cavalry on their right (those not yet destroyed or committed in the center) – Grant’s and Dörnberg’s light brigades. The counter-attack proved enough to stem the French breakthrough and give them a bloody nose, but was not enough to dislodge them from the ridge.




At the close of the battle at 18.30 (after 14 turns) a vast portion of the ridge at the center was firmly in French control. Both the western and eastern ends of the ridge were contested. Of the farmhouses La Haye Sainte was firmly under French control while the same was true for the Prussians at Papelotte. Hougomont was virtually entirely in French hands and cut off from the ridge, which was essentially enough for full French control.


And what of the much vaunted French Imperial Guard? They had been kept back too long to have any impact upon the game. The cavalry of the guard had been kept in close reserve but were never actually committed due to the large amount of non-guard heavy cavalry around. The infantry of the guard had started their ponderous advance at 16.30 (turn 11) but had been spectacularly slow and too far back to reach the battle in time. At least they looked good in their serried ranks behind the main line.


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In a most gentlemanly fashion the allied CiC conceded that French had indeed proved victorious this day. The French had accomplished most of their objectives, including inflicting punishing casualties on the British while retaining their own fighting strength. However, despite being beaten the British army was not defeated.

It is difficult to speculate what might have happened next, but most likely both the bloodied Britons and their Prussian allies (now caught between Napoleon’s and marshal Grouchy’s forces) would have found their position untenable and their armies permanently split from each other. In a classic move Napoleon might have defeated them one by one and forced them to retire along their axis of supply. This may have gained Napoleon a measure of political bargaining power and the possibility to exploit Belgian and Dutch resources to continue the fight, but in all likelihood this would have only delayed the impending doom of his regime for several months or even a year.


Closing thoughts:

This was a truly awesome game of epic proportions played in a most gentlemanly and friendly spirit. What more can a gamer ask for! The scenario (including the proportions of the battlefield) worked excellently, not least because the French won. The game was fought in a relatively short time of some 14 hours over two days. Once again this goes to show that the Black Powder rules work great even with large games (though we did tweak a few things). This definitely was the high point of an intense year of gaming and building Napoleonic armies and the sweet fruit of months of planning and hype. Thanks for all those who participated and a special thanks to Juha for the nice graphics and use of pictures for the second day (more Napoleonic goodness from him on his blog)!

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28 comments to Black Powder battle report: Battle of Waterloo

  • Absolutely great report! Kiitos Jaakko!

  • avatar kalle

    Eli Jaakko on siis Napoleonia parempi kenraali selvästi :) Ei muuta kuin upseerinuralle. Hieno rapsa.

  • avatar Antti Lahtela

    Mahtava raportti! Tuli tota lukiessa taas inspiraatio pelata briteillä :) Itävaltalaisia odotellessa ;)

    Kiitos vielä osallistujille, ensi kerralla vielä isompana ja näyttävämpänä koko homma!

    PS: Jaakko, korjasin tohon raporttiin muutaman lauseen missä saksalaisia tai hollantilaisia joukkoja oli mainittu britteinä(tälläiseen ei varmaan muu kuin minä edes kiinnittänyt huomiota ;)

  • avatar Sami K.

    Kyllä vaan. Venäläiset ovat tässä valmistumassa hurjaa vauhtia, ja kyllähän noita ranskalaisia voisi sitten joskus kontribuoida myös näihin brittipeleihin kun sellaista aletaan suunnittelemaan, jos saataisiin taas vaikka tilaus Warriorilta.

    28-millisistä kysymys: onko inspiraatiota lähteä kehittämään sitä eteenpäin historiallisten skenaarioiden muodossa? Nyt olisi Victrixillä halpaa kun on -30% ale. Jos on suunnitelmia (esim. se ennen mainitsemani Peninsular-kampanja). Siinä varmaan ranskalaisia tarvitaan lisää.

    28-millisillä pitäisi kyllä kaventaa yksiköitä pelattavuuden nimissä vaikkapa 8×2= kuuteentoista mieheen per yksikkö, ja siltikin pelikenttien koko pitää maksimoida. Jutteluissamme Markon kanssa korostui juuri se, ettei touhusta tule tolkkua kun parilla pataljoonalla jo tukitaan sivusta.
    Vai löytyykö intoa uudelleenalustamiseen noista 2×2-blokeista? Silloin voisi optimoida muodostelmatkin.

    • avatar Antti Lahtela

      Puhun nyt vain omasta puolestani, mutta en lähde rakentamaan Napoleonin sotiin armeijoita kahteen eri skaalaan. Vaikka yksiköitä pienentäisikin, on 28mm silti liian kömpelö skaala mielestäni isoihin peleihin mitä haluan pelata Black Powder-säännöillä. Jokainen kuitenkin rakentakoon armeijansa oman makunsa mukaan.

    • avatar Nysse

      Keväällähän päätettiin muutamassa pelissä siirtyä tohon 16 ukon vahvuiseen pataljoonaan joka koostuu neljästä 2×2 basesta. Pienensi sopivasti yksikkökokoa siten että liikkumatilaa jäi hyvin vaikka pelasi divisioonakoon taistelua laudan kapeammalla sivulla.

      • avatar Marko

        Näin tehtiin. Musta 2 riviä noin 8 ukon leveydellä (160mm) on hyvä. Itselläni pysyminen 28 millissä johtuu figuista. En vain saa “fiiliksiä” 15 millin figuista. :-) Kukin tosiaan makunsa mukaan.

        • avatar Nysse

          Jep 28mm jää mullakin pääasialliseks Napohommaks liittyen lähinnä juuri figujen näyttävyyteen. Pitää laajentaa vaan nyt ranskiksiin kun alkoi muun maailman liittouma kasvamaan jo liian suureksi :)

          15mm kasailen nyt tuon divisioonan preussilaisia valmiiksi. Katsotaan sitten mikä fiilis on jos toista tilausta warriorille tai muuhun vastaavaan firmaan on.

    • avatar kalle

      Mun 28mm Preussilaiset on kaikki (infantry) 2 * 2 kokoisilla lätkillä, eli se on peruskoko, minkä monikertoja saa helposti aikaan. Millos pelataan 28mm Powderia ? Mulla riittää intoa tehdä joukot sekä 15mm että 28 millisiin…

      Noi on niin eri juttuja kummiskin. 15mm ukotkin on ihan kivoja, ja pelillisesti parempia. Mutta 28 milliset on vaan hienompia :)

      Tuli kesällä tehtyä pikkusen preussin jalkaväkeä, ja yksi husaariblokkikin tuli valmiiksi, joten niitä olis kiva ulkoiluttaa. Rakuunablokkikin valmistuis äkkiä, jos olisi joku tavoite.

      • 28mm 2×2 blokki on hyvä, ja se kai on jonkin sorttinen “standardi” nyt? 28mm BP:tä voidaan pelata, kun saadaan tarpeeksi Ranskaa mukaan, siis jos halutaan pelata historiallisia taisteluja, joten unohtakaa muut maat ja maalatkaa Ranskaa!

        Noin muuten, ottaen huomioon tuon ajan taistelut, 15mm tuottaa paremman pelikokemuksen, tulee taistelun tuntua :-D (vrt. käyty Waterloo), vaikka toki 28mm on näyttävämpi ja niitä voi maalata paljon tarkemmin.

  • avatar Sami K.

    Minusta se Peninsular-kampanja olisi hieno, siihen tarvitaan pelinjohtaja joka tuntee tämän alueen hyvin ja on innostunut vetämään sitä. Ei tarvitse itse pelata tai tehdä 28mm-figuja jos ei halua, pelaajat hoitavat sen. Mitenkäs Antti on, kiinnostaako?

    3 boksia ranskalaisia voisi harkita hommaavansa nyt alesta, 10 pataljoonaa, maalaaminen vain on hurja savotta. Vai mitä olette käyttäneet yhden pelaajan joukkoina isommissa taisteluissa 28-millisillä?

    • Peninsular on kiva, mutta keneltäs sitten ne Britit ;-)?

      • Mun sardiininsyöjät on edelleen kovasti työn alla, tosin tämä basetussäätö hämmentää mua… Britithän vastoin anglosentristä sotapelipropagandaa harvoin taistelivat yksin.

        Mun Le Petit Empereur -pelissä (joka on jenkin kirjoittama), itse asiassa brittien on aina PAKKO ottaa joku muu liittolaiseksi. Se on melko abstrakti “grand tactical” -sääntösetti.

        • Nyt en seuraa, miten basetus liittyy liittolaisiin?

          Peninsular kampanjassa pitä ehdottomasti olla portugalilaisia mukana, jotka taistelivat, mutta Britit ottivat kunnian voitoista ja syyttivät muita tappioista ;-)

        • avatar Nysse

          Viimeisin iteraatio (ja ilmeisesti myös yleisesti hyväksytty) basetuksesta 28 millisillä oli siis 160mm (4kpl 40x40mm basea) frontage jalkaväelle. Ratsuväkeä esitti 6×2 figua 25mm frontagen baseilla. Tykistöllä ei mitään kiinteätä basekokoa.

          Noiden frontageiden sisällä sitten pientä variaatiota jos käyttää eri baseja (esim. mulla 4x 45mm leveitä baseja jalkaväellä). Aika vapaamielisesti noiden kanssa on menty ja Blackpowderissahan esim. base kosketus vaikka taistelussa ei ole niin tärkeää vaan taistelevat osapuolet katsotaan enemmän linja vs linja tai 2x attack column vs. linja periaatteella.

      • avatar Nysse

        Jos väärät liput ja hatut sallitaan niin multa löytyy vajaa divarillinen brittejä :) Tuotantolinjassa sitten lisää tulossa ainakin jalkaväen ja husaareiden muodossa. Jossain välissä pitää tilailla raskasta ratsuväkeä myös, mutta eipä se hirveästi actionia nähnyt

        • Siis divisoona vai prikaati? Parempi olisi kysyä, pataljoonien määrä?

          • avatar Nysse

            2 pataljoonaa highlandereita, 3 linjaa, 1 täyspataljoona kiväärimiehiä, tykistöä ja osasto husaareita. Eli vähän vajaa divisioona siis. Tehtailen noita joskus tässä syksyllä lisää kunhan muilta projekteilta jää aikaa.

            • OK, tässä taitaa olla käsitteellistä ero, koska Britit taisivat kutsua prikaatia divisioonaksi. Tuohan olisi Ranskassa ja muualla vain isohko prikaati tai kaksi pientä.

              • avatar Nysse

                Jooh voi olla. Prikaati tuntunut briteillä usein olevan 3-4 jalkaväkiyksikköä + mahdollinen kivääri/light infantry yksikkö ja Divisioona sitten 2-3 prikaatia jalkaväkeä. Pelillisesti noi olisivat siis 2 jalkaväkiprikaatia ja ratsuväki joskus laajennettuna siihen kolmas prikaati ja yhdessä muodostavat divisioonan.

                Historiallisestikaan tuo ei tosin hirveästi ranskalaisesta divisioonasta jää jälkeen. Ainakin Waterloossa ja 1813 sodassa ranskan divisioona tuntui olevan 4 rykmenttiä jotka jokainen koostui 2 pataljoonasta eli divari 8 pataljoonaa.

              • avatar Nysse

                Niin ja Waterloon 200v päivän aikaan tarkoitus olisi siis olla kasassa koko brittien 5 divisioona (2 brittiprikaatia ja hannoverilainen prikaati) ja jotain hollantilaisia kavereina ja toisella puolella Ranskalta 1. armeijakunnan joukot eli 1-4. divisioona. Saa nähdä kuinka suuruudenhullu tavoite tämäkin on.

                • avatar Marko

                  Laitetaan nyt tähän ketjuun tiedoksi muiden riemuksi, että liityin sitten tosissaan space marineiden (eikun siis Ranskan) puolelle, kun kaikki vain (minä mukaan lukien) fanittavat brittejä. (Kiittäkää sitä pirun ebaytä. Ostin vanhaa metallia.) Tosin figut ovat jotain 1808-1812 mallia, mutta väliäkös tuolla ja Waterloossa ranskisten varusteet olivat muutenkin vähän mitä sattui löytymään. Ratsuväkeä ei ole tulossa NYT yhtään, mutta jalkaväkeä sitäkin enemmän (Kyllä tuosta jotain 8 pataljoonaa irtoaa!).

                  Vive l’Empereur, Vive la France!

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